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Monta Ellis had his share of layups en route to his 45-point evening.

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Monta Ellis had his share of layups en route to his 45-point evening.

The Indiana Pacers lost control of the game last night in a hurry.

After desperately trying to hold onto their lead in the third quarter, the Golden State Warrors finished with a flurry, scoring seven straight points in the final 58 second of the third to take a two-point lead into the deciding fourth quarter. Monta Ellis then exploded for another seven straight points on his own in the first 64 seconds of the fourth.

The 14-0 run over two minutes stunned and staggered the Pacers and they never recovered. After the jump, a few more observations from the game along with some links of interest.

Star-divide

  • Jeff Foster starrted in place of Roy Hibbert as Jim O'Brien continues to search for the right combination of players to produce wins. Foster responded well against the depleted front court of the Warriors with 9 points and 9 rebounds, including 6 offensive boards. Hibbert on the other hand didn't offer much off the bench. Within three minutes he had three fouls and eventually only played 11 minutes with 2 points, 2 rebounds and 5 fouls.
  • Danny Granger finished with 22 points but despite a few blips on the radar couldn't produce any momentum for the Pacers. He also had five turnovers, struggling with the ball in traffic. I realize his wheels aren't 100% but this team need Granger to carry the offensive load at times and he just hasn't be able to fill that role of late. Granger tried shaking things up by starting the game with a headband. Looked a bit strange with it covering his ears and must've felt strange since he took it off in the first quarter.
  • Mike Dunleavy saw some significant minutes maxing out his allotment and producing 22 points in 23 minutes. He appeared worn out toward the end fading along with the Pacers' chances of winning.
  • T.J. Ford had one of his better games going in the first half and along with Earl Watson, the two point guards did a great job of getting in the paint for some easy buckets. The second half was a different story as both struggled with the game on the line and the duo ended the night with a combined 8 turnovers.
  • Brandon Rush started the game but his tentative play gave way to Dahntay Jones. Jones started the third quarter and finished the game with 21 points. Rush score no points in 16 minutes, with one play exemplifying his confounding play. Early in the first quarter, Rush had the ball on the left wing. A nice pump fake and dribble opened him up from about 18 feet, instead of shooting it he passed to T.J. Ford in the corner for a missed three-pointer. As Rush was passing the ball, you could hear Foster yell, "Shoot it!"
  • Box score with highlights
  • PACERS: Inside the Game: Pacers at Warriors
  • The Associated Press: Ellis scores 45 in Warriors win over Pacers
  • Pacers blow another big lead
    Mike Wells reports on the Pacers allowing a 32-point swing in favor of the Warriors leading to a disheartening loss.

  • Warriors Web: Warriors 126, Pacers 107 - Monta scores career high 45 pts
    GSoM thoroughly enjoyed the Dubs' comeback win.

  • Pacers Notebook: Pacers playing Hibbert off the bench
    Mike Wells has more on Jim O'Brien shuffling lineups to look for answers on the road trip. JOB likes Jeff Foster on the court in part because his +/- numbers are usually the best on the team. Last night, Foster was the only player with a positive number, +1.

  • Do you smell that? That's a nasty funk coming from the Pacers
    Mike Wells blogs about the mess he witnessed in Oakland last night.

  • Monta Ellis leads Golden State Warriors past Pacers
    Marcus Thompson II reports on Monta Ellis lighting up the Pacers last night.

  • Bird willing to remain patient
    Mike Wells talks to Larry Bird about the team's struggles so far this season and in essence, Jim O'Brien's status.

  • Warriors Web: Warriors 126, Pacers 107 - Monta scores career high 45 pts
    GSoM thoroughly enjoyed the Dubs' comeback win.

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i fell asleep

Waiting for the game to start. It sounds like I didn’t miss much… Seems like a game from last year.

by RIPShea on Dec 1, 2009 9:01 AM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Kind of like last year

although, instead of taking the game down to the final possession, the Pacers were just blown away.

by Tom Lewis on Dec 1, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It will never stop

Here (courtesy of Mike Well’s notebook) we get another example of a coach babying Rush in the hopes his confidence will improve,

“O’Brien continues to start Brandon Rush over Dahntay Jones at shooting guard despite Jones clearly outplaying him this season because O’Brien hopes it will get Rush back on track and help his confidence.”

Same old story. I wonder if any of these coaches have thought about straight up challenging Rush as a man to get some heart and get his own swagger up. Maybe someone should insert some Lil Wayne and Jay-Z onto Brandon’s iPod before games and make him listen to that stuff on repeat till he gets some confidence.

by ThirtyOne on Dec 1, 2009 9:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yep… bench Hibbert who shows great promise and seems oh so close to figuring it out… but keep Rush starting who is really just completely worthless at this point.

D. Jones needs to get in Rush’s face…. babying obviously isn’t working.

by dbcb on Dec 1, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this HAS to stop!

For the absolute life of me, I can not figure out why Foster is starting and playin twice the minutes as Big Roy. I come on this website cause I love the Pacers, and I hate being a downer on them, I’d much rather focus on the good things. But this just continues to baffle me. One of the things I look forward to this year (havent been able to watch many gmaes due to work and no league pass) is looking at Danny, Brandon (i know i know, im sorry! lol) and Roy’s stat lines. To see Foster getting 23 minutes and Roy only 10 and Tyler only 10 angers me as much as a box score can anger me! It is not like we are contending for a championship. GRRRRRRRR…….

by captain flitzy on Dec 1, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

On a certain level it make a bit of sense to start Foster. He needs to get his value back up, and I have a feeling the Pacers might end of trading Foster before too much longer.

I love Foster, but I’d like to see him go to a contender.

by Sparhawk on Dec 1, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Larry say

That Jeff Foster was a big part of what we are buiding in Indy? That is why he didn’t trade him for the 1st rounder last deadline.

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Dec 1, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder,

Tom, since you have more access than we do could you let us know if this has happened. Have any of the players got in Brandon’s face and challenged him to live up to his potential?

by ThirtyOne on Dec 1, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know if anyone in particular has gotten in his fact this year. Jack took care of that last year. But I also wouldn’t put much stock in JOB’s public comments, I guarantee you he isn’t babying Rush in practice or film sessions. Most of the info for Wells article was gathered before last night’s game, too. Notice that Dahntay started the second half and Rush was only seen during mop up duty.

I’m hoping Jones starts against the Kings in particular. He should play every minute that Tyreke Evans is on the floor because Evans has been huge for the Kings in their wins.

by Tom Lewis on Dec 1, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rush

It feels like we’re in one of those situations where we’ll look back several months (or days) from now and give a hearty laugh while reminiscently asking “Do you remember when Brandon Rush was our starting point guard? Man, what were we thinking?!?” Hibbert is obviously not playing up to par, so I understand looking at Foster in the starting lineup, but keeping Rush in there is not helping him, and it’s certainly not helping his teammates. Hopefully, last night’s second half starting lineup was an indicator of what’s to come.

by spstevenson on Dec 1, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

who started the second half?

by captain flitzy on Dec 1, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dahntay

started for Rush in the 2nd half. Brandon only played the final 2:33 of the fourth quarter.

by spstevenson on Dec 1, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hibbert is improving though. Hibbert will get better the more he plays. He will get used to not fouling so damn much.

HIs per 36 numbers are looking great. His scoring is slightly down, but his fouls are way down as well, assists up, rebounds up, his fg% is better, ft% is better, blocks are the same.

The only reason his points per 36 are down is because he isn’t taking as many shots as last year.

It baffles my mind that he isn’t starting.

by dbcb on Dec 1, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Roy

Has been playing pretty poorly since the Cleveland game, so I can understand moving him to the bench for the time being. While I often lament Obie’s rotation inconsistency, he is consistent in giving playing times to guys that are playing well (Brandon being the exception at this point).

Roy was a factor in the first nine games, but has been the complete opposite in the past six. Not only are his numbers down (partially due to less playing time), but his shooting is down, which for a big man getting the kind of looks a big man gets, doesn’t excite me. Roy shouldn’t be having 2-7 or 3-9 nights in a three game stretch.

In fact, his per 36 numbers are suffering because of it.

In the first nine games, Roy averaged 16.5 PPG and 12.1 RPG per 36 minutes. In the past six, he’s gone for 13.0 PPG and 6.3 RPG. Part of that is Murph and Foster in the lineup, but I’m not going to make excuses for Roy’s play as of late…he’s not Brandon.

by goodlucksaturday on Dec 1, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I don’t know what the deal is about building his confindence, but he’s gonna have to find it while being a second unit player. He’s passing the ball off like it’s a hot potatoe, and when he does move with the ball he isn’t going anywhere. He’s not looking like he’s moving for a jumpshot, and he’s never taking it to the rim. I saw drive and jam it over people last year. All that athleticism and he’s never taking advantage of it or getting to the line with it. He just needs to play some backup minutes, focus on D and rebounding, and find other ways to contribute. He’ll either find his game on O or not. Ide like the chance to get in his face to challenge him if the players won’t. Lol!…I’m pulling for the kid, but he just needs to carry Dahntays luggage for awhile and learn.

by Rush Rules!!! on Dec 1, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hibbert/Jones Combo

 Hibbert was doing just fine and looked like one of the upcoming centers in the league until he was benched. Obviously he plays best when he starts and gets the minutes. If the coach is so determined in to play Foster, play him in combination with Murphy. Murphy is just a younger version of Foster. Solomon Jones is the real backup for Hibbert. This will also strengthen us in the middle on defense as both Foster and Murphy are weak. Go Pacers!!!

by Slick4President on Dec 1, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm in agreement with Hibbert starting

most of the time. There are instances where Foster needs to start. Last night was one of them. Hibby got his chance early in the game last night, did absolutely nothing, and picked up 3 fouls in 4 mins of play. It’s not that he couldn’t get going, he just can’t guard players who are a foot smaller then him. If Biedrins was playing, that would have been a much better matchup, and I bet he would have started.

On the other hand, lets give some props to Foster, a Pacer his whole career, who can still play and will start against smaller lineups. Jeff looked good out there last night and brought some much needed hustle on the offensive glass. I’m sure he knows his time is coming, but he still plays the only way he knows how to play, balls to the wall.

by jantz101 on Dec 1, 2009 12:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The refs let Hibbert play more when he starts

Whether it’s because he’s there from the start and helps establish the the tone of the game and how it’s gonna be called, or because he’s more confident and thoughful of his positioning when he starts; one way or the other he doesn’t rack up fouls as fast when he starts. Since Roy has been coming off the bench he’s had a bulleye on his jersey. Fouls come fast and furious. Anyone thought about sitting Murph and Rush for Dahntay and Roy? Leave Fosters intangibles on the floor, start Hibbert, let Danny stretch the floor, and let TJ and Dahntay attack and playmake. That leaves Murph for a scoring option off the bench. Him along with Tyler, Dunleavy, Rush, Watson, and sometimes S Jones makes a pretty strong bench. Defenders, rebounders, defensive players, and some scoring. I like that lineup.

by Rush Rules!!! on Dec 1, 2009 4:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good to see D. Jones playing well. Just the second time I got to see the former Nugget this season.

He has a lot of confidence, but could have used Granger last night to take some of the scoring load. Was also good to see Foster hustling up rebounds.

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by Nate Timmons on Dec 1, 2009 5:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The thing with Foster..

I absolutely a million times agree with how hard he plays. Anyone who has watched even one Pacer game in the last 8 years or however long, knows he always goes all out. He has given us everything, he has been rewarded with a nice little contract for a bit player, and it is time to cut ties. Give him a chance to make a title push somewhere else for the next couple of years.

In return, maybe we scoop up a couple of late draft picks, or one or two promising young players. As for Roy playing against small lineups. Shaq was never benched against a small team. NeiNo great centers are benched cause the other team goes small. ROY is the one with the advantage. Make the teams go big against us, not matchup their smallness. Roy is a huge asset, and hiding him is not the way we should attack, in my opinion.

by captain flitzy on Dec 1, 2009 5:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good points

I’m just not sure Roy is ready to be a great center yet. 2 years from now, I would whole-heartedly agree with you, let the big man play. But now, even though he is a four year college player, he needs time to adjust to the NBA game. Thats no knock on Roy, everyone learns at a different pace, I’m just not sure he is our best option at C every game.

As much as I will remember Jeff as a Pacer, I wouldn’t mind seeing him go to a contender also. He has that intangible that every championship team needs. Especially if we could get a promising young player in return.

by jantz101 on Dec 1, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

did you ever end up going to jersey???

by captain flitzy on Dec 1, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

I spent a week in Brick, NJ. That beach club you told me about looked awesome, I just didn’t have the motivation to go down there Saturday night. I did however have some fantastic thin crust pizza at Pete and Elda’s in Neptune NJ. That might have been the best thin crust I have ever had!

by jantz101 on Dec 1, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cool

Yea jersey has amazing pizza. And as a disclaimer, in no way, shape or form does that new show on MTV “Jersey Shore” depict what life is like for anyone in NJ haha. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Un0yTWugew Especially North Jersey, jeez what an embarassment.

by captain flitzy on Dec 2, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On a side note

Anyone going to the Pacers/Clippers game on Saturday? I’m in LA. Not sure if anyone else on this board is.

by indy62 on Dec 1, 2009 7:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I was supposed to be in LA this week for work

but that got pushed back. I had plans to go to the game, would have loved to go with you…

by jantz101 on Dec 1, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bummer. Always tough to find people willing to shell out money for a Clippers game, especially when they’re playing the Pacers. Good thing is, you can get the best seats in the house for under $100.

by indy62 on Dec 2, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw online that ticket prices started at $7!

by jantz101 on Dec 2, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

......?

Yea Roy starts to be a beast then once everything seems to be going well…. Eh lets bench him…. he hasnt been the same since. Oh and when weve been struggling on offense… yea lets not put Luther in…. the ball only gets worked around better and he has the balls to put points on the board when everyone runs away from the ball…. why did we hire Jim O’Brien again? Hire Mark Jackson already….

by B-Huse on Dec 1, 2009 9:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Head, Murphy, Etc.

Could not agree more on Head. The guy is a perfect matchup in Golden State because they play like five guys his height and the guy just makes the offense go. When Danny is not in they need to have Head in.

Also, is anyone other than me tired of watching Murphy make the twelfth man on NBA rosters look like All-Stars? He made Humphries in the Dallas game and Hunter in the end of the game last night look like Dwight Howard. Humphries comes in and grabs 10 boards off the bench while Troy has 1 total? It just baffles me his lack of rebounding and desire this year. He more than anything should be the reason Hibbert and Hansbrough should get more minutes.

"My game’s like the Pythagorean Theorem. It ain’t got no answer." - Shaq

by bleedinblueandgold on Dec 1, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'm concerned about Murph

Lol. Great line about the opposing 12th man bleedingblueandgold…Murph tends to be a human turnstyle on D. And lord knows Murphs never gonna make a guard scared of taking it to the rim. Shot blocking….not a Murph specialty. I don’t think you could slide a piece of paper under his feet when he jumps. Lol…In all seriousness, I know he can shoot and sometimes box out, but ide love to see him coming off the bench. He’d be a great second option with the second team (11 mill for that…ouch).

by Rush Rules!!! on Dec 2, 2009 3:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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