Game Thread #12: Indiana Pacers at Toronto Raptors
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 5:00 PM EST
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Indiana Pacers at Toronto Raptors, Nov 24, 2009 7:00 PM EST
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| 5-6 | 6-8 | |
| November 24, 2009 - 7:00PM EST | ||
| Air Canada Centre | ||
| Radio: 1070AM WFNI TV: No local TV | ||
| Probable starters: | ||
| T.J. Ford | PG | Jose Calderon |
| Brandon Rush | SG | DeMar DeRozan |
| Danny Granger | SF | Hedo Turkoglu |
| Troy Murphy | PF | Chris Bosh |
| Jeff Foster | C | Andrea Bargnani |
Plenty of intersting sub-plots involved tonight when the Indiana Pacers take on the Toronto Raptors at the Air Canada Centre. While the Pacers have been stumbling of late they remain in the muck and mire of the five or six Eastern Conference teams up for consideration for the 7th and 8th playoff spots in the East. Of course, Toronto has the same muck on them, so the winner will enjoy picking up a critical game on a direct competitor for the same prize.
The other stories to follow involve Jim O'Brien's lineup shuffle and how the team will play with Roy Hibbert coming off the bench. The starting lineup is now absent of a post presence at the offensive end, but that presence hasn't been to strong in the past few games, so maybe Hibby will find his flow with the second unit.
Even more interesting to me, is who will start at shooting guard. Any objective observer realizes that Dahntay Jones has outplayed Brandon Rush drastically so far in the young season. Yet, it appears the Rush is expected to retain his starting job tonight. We'll see. If that is the case, I still expect Dahntay Jones to play more minutes than Rush and having Jones bolsters the second unit. So, essentially, Rush will play the role Dahntay played last year in Denver, a starter player few minutes than the finisher off the bench, while Dahntay will play for role of J.R. Smith.
Oh, and we can't forget that Jarrett Jack will be playing his first game against the Pacers since cashing in on some life-long security in Toronto this summer. Prior to the season, I figured Jack's first game against the Pacers would be the focal point of this game, but with all that is going around the Pacers it will merely be background noise.
For a Toronto perspective, check out Raptors HQ and Raptors Republic. Plus, HoopsAddict will have some good stuff on the Pacers after the game.
Oh, and one more thing. You can complain about JOB and his efforts to change the results, but at some point a player or players need to grab this team by the figurative lapels, demand better and not let these lapses go without some accountability.
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Ready for some Pacers basketball
I’m back from work (in Vegas, bummer I know) and ready to dedicate some time to Pacers basketball. I have a bad feeling about this game, with Bargnani spreading the D and Bosh’s quickness inside, this might be a tough one for the Pacers. I am looking forward to seeing Jack play though, and hope he plays well in a loss!
Side note, I was half paying attention to the Kings Grizzly’s game last night when I heard from the Grizzly’s announcer: “Now entering the game…Jamal Tinsley” I did one of those cartoon double takes like “Whaaa?” Totally forgot he was playing again. He had a Rush-like game, played for awhile, but you forgot he was out there. He looked rusty to say the least, had a couple turnovers that were awful passes. He will probably need a couple weeks to get back to game speed. Good luck Memphis!
by jantz101 on Nov 24, 2009 5:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Can't get a good feel on this game
But I don’t think the feeling I’m getting is very pretty. Probably won’t be as bad as Sunday, but I don’t know if I like the chances of us actually coming out with a win.
I’d say “Prove me wrong, boys!” but eh…I don’t know how they plan on doing that.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 6:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
JOB plans to start Hibbert tomorrow against Clips
according to pre-game tweet from Wells.
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 6:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind
Seeing a few lineup changes from time to time, if not game to game, if they can actually help our chances at winning.
I hated Obie’s rotations last year, but I’m just ready to win some games. I don’t care how they’re won anymore.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I like Hibbert out there, but he is young and will get plenty of chances. If Foster is defending well and the Pacers offense is playing well then lets go with that lineup. If that gets them nowhere, I think the young guys need to be out on the court getting experience.
by jantz101 on Nov 24, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jack
I hope he doesn’t follow the trend of ex-Pacers who thrive in games against their former team. Seems like we get burned every other game by a former player.
by spstevenson on Nov 24, 2009 7:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I liked the rebounding Granger
But I think I want a scoring Granger more right now.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 7:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Defense
Will definitely be the key to this game. Toronto has the ability to score in bunches. Pacers need to make sure that doesn’t happen. Will we see Dun today?
by jantz101 on Nov 24, 2009 7:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Murphy
was a little behind on that defensive play. He looked like the fat kid chasing the ice cream truck.
by spstevenson on Nov 24, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ughh
Words can’t describe how much I dislike these jerseys…and this start.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 7:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I thought we banned the gold after 1998. I don’t know why we keep going back to them every year. Not one good thing has ever happened to this franchise while they’re wearing gold jerseys.
by spstevenson on Nov 24, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad this lineup is working out so well for us.
by spstevenson on Nov 24, 2009 7:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Toronto - 8 points in the paint
And I think….the other four are all at the line.
Fist pump.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 7:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Toronto announcers:
There is no defensive presence inside for the Pacers. Raptors can do this all game
by jantz101 on Nov 24, 2009 7:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This game is going to look like an NBA 2K game
With all the action in the paint.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 7:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ohhhhhhh
Scary play by T.J.
I said “WHAT IS THIS.” as he threw it, hahaha.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 7:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see Danny keep moving in until he found his range. Man.
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 7:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good effort by Roy
He seemed to hold up well against Bosh on that play. Was that what we were worried about?
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 7:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Heh
I thought Clark was just about to say, It’s going to be awhile before Brandon gets back in the game.
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 7:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
3-point record
That record is crazy for the Raptors…one 3-pointer in every game since 1999. Impressive.
by spstevenson on Nov 24, 2009 7:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Being a bit sloppy
And not playing that well, but keeping pace. I mean…I’m not angry right now…
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 7:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pacers
Kings of the Three Point Play.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 7:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Do work Roy
keep feeding the big fella againts Rasho.
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 7:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Calderon
Didn’t anyone tell this guy he’s irrelevant in today’s NBA? C’mon…
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 7:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
His jump hook
and Hibberts jump hook might be the ugliest in the league, but it goes in!
by jantz101 on Nov 24, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nets deal
Actually a really good deal, but I fear for my life if I eat that Hardee’s burger, and I also don’t have the extra to spend on that. Oh, sigh.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Defense optional
Raps up 39-31 after 1Q
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 7:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not a great first quarter
But not as bad I thought it might be either.
Doesn’t feel like we were outplayed by eight points though, which might end up being a really bad thing…
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 7:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
39 in the first
does not count as good D! At least we played well offensively…
by jantz101 on Nov 24, 2009 7:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It would sure be fun for the Pacers to make a 3-pointer
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hear they're pretty big momentum changers
Be nice to see a real life one from the gold and gold and gold and gold.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Goodness
standing, standing, standing…Granger 3
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 7:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
sounds like "great" offensive strategy
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Nov 24, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hey everyone
I am in a fake Congress simulation for class and will be all night. Following stats and the message board (while slyly boozing). Keep me updated and let’s go Pacers!!
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Nov 24, 2009 7:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice
Never lose sight of your priorities!
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just a lobbyist in the simulation
so I think drinking is actually recommended
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Nov 24, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you are a lobbyist
Boozing and womanizing are probably both recommended!
by jantz101 on Nov 24, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
too bad I'm married
hopefully it won’t affect my grade in the class
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Nov 24, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's some ball movement
quick swing by Earl leads to a late rotation and foul. FT’s for Dahntay.
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 7:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Down 10 in a hurry
Man, Danny is 1-8 so far.
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 7:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Boom baby!
Danny finally gets one.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 7:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That was a weird foul
Didn’t think he got a lot of body in that one, definitely no hands.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 7:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Man
Defense optional indeed.
Having a tough time getting back into this one just trading baskets. It didn’t work on Sunday, it won’t work tonight, guys.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 7:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
“Which are your favorite Pacers uniforms?”
I can tell you which aren’t!!
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 7:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
of course he is
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Nov 24, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
This game is getting ugly really really fast.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 7:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well looky there, Hibby in the low post for a bucket
keep him down there.
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 7:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Raptors with 55
And we’re not even halfway through the second quarter.
Wow…
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 7:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
so at what point do we start feeding Hibbert on a regular basis
as long as he stays out of foul trouble, I’m not sure why he’s not getting 10-12 shots a game, every game
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Nov 24, 2009 7:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Rasho killing us too
Step it up, Ford!
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 7:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Kidding me...
The defensive effort is really not as bad some of these plays…but the Raptors are getting everything to fall.
Doesn’t help that T.J. takes the dumbest shot I’ve seen the team take all night…
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 8:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Raptors over/under
80 points at the half.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 8:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ugh, on pace for around 160
I think I’m glad that I’m not watching this on tv
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Nov 24, 2009 8:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm bout to turn off the sound
and listen to the John and Kate final episode my girlfriend is watching
by jantz101 on Nov 24, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow, that's a bit statement
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Nov 24, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Danny with three fouls.
A couple of really questionable ones…….
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 8:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Down 18
Calderon loves playing the Pacers.
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 8:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Granger picks up his 3rd
hard to believe he has 14 points.
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 8:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Home cooking
I don’t know what kind of cuisine Toronto excels in, but they’re handing out platefuls to everyone on the court.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 8:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dear NBA Gods,
I was joking with the 80 point halftime….please forgive me.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 8:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think I just blacked out
Dahntay behind the back to Raps…
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 8:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Toronto 65% shooting
13-17 in the second.
It’s unbelievable how these shots are falling…
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 8:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No way
52% of the text voters like the gold jerseys.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 8:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ugh, just threw up in my mouth
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Nov 24, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
8 guys wth at least 6 points
3 in double digits
this is disgusting
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Nov 24, 2009 8:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Held the Raps below their record of 79 for a half
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 8:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the colts are 10-0
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Nov 24, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Danny somehow has 14 points
That’s impressive…even though he’s been dreadful tonight.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stacy's quote:
“Pacers digging out of a little hole….”
Love the optimism, but they’re not wearing the comeback blue.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 8:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
digging out of the grand canyon?
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Nov 24, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Keys for the second half?
Maybe start Watson at point, Jones, Granger T-Brough, and Hibbert. Lets have a balls-to-the-wall team go crazy out there
by jantz101 on Nov 24, 2009 8:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
tbrough, i like that
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Nov 24, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Has Danny had enough?
2 threes to open up the half.
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 8:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Danny has cut the lead to 14
pretty much by himself.
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 8:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pacers need to draw more contact on offense
they should get every call with this deficit.
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 8:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Get em all back Dahntay
can cut the lead to 9
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 8:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dudes...
Defense. Calderon has 21.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 8:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bad turnover by Hansbrough
Had a “There we go” all the way on that play until the walk.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 8:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Easy big fella
Hansbro goin’ at CBosh, not a good idea.
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 8:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Danny already back in
Hate to see him having to play all of these minutes.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 8:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
These fouls are ridiculous
No need for these. Slowing down the pace, getting help from the Raps in missing a few shots, but jeez. Nonsense.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 8:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bloody lip brigade with Hansbro and Foster in there
Lead down to 7
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 8:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Booom baby!
Rush answering Jack.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 8:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
WOO
Defensive effort AND offensive payoff.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 8:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice follow by T-Brough!
My feed is lagging!
by jantz101 on Nov 24, 2009 8:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We have a game heading into the 4th
Raps up 100-93
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 8:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Like the Thanksgiving references, Denari
But I think it would suit better to tomorrow, when we actually play a team that isn’t in Canada.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Boom baby!
Brandon Rush heating up!
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 9:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wow, we get pizza and a 15 minute break
i come back and it’s a game. holy crap!
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Nov 24, 2009 9:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that really is a special talent of his
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Nov 24, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Foster
two o-boards. His value cannot be measured in numbers.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 9:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Too bad granger couldn't cash 'em in
big 4 point swing there.
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 9:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That miss was a killer
Foster’s plays were tremendous there. Would’ve really benefited from coming away from that possession with something.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ball movement
Looks really good right now.
Need to cash these possessions in!!
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 9:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
All right, Danny
Stoppin’ the bleeding.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 9:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Danny to Murph!
Danny is playing great here in the second half!!
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 9:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OH COME ON!!
Raptors are unreal behind the arc….
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 9:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not watching but I like the idea of this lineup
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Nov 24, 2009 9:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great defense there
glad Bosh didn’t get the bail out roll.
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 9:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Holy
Dahntay got up after the whistle there. Wow
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Danny responds!
Pacers just won’t die…but man, they need to get some stops and cash in on the other end.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 9:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jack and Rasho have season highs tonight
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 9:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
of course they do!
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Nov 24, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Though that poor Danny miss there helped it along.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh hook
Felt like a dagger to me. Don’t think we’ve got enough in this comeback to cap it off.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pacers Start of the Game:
Danny, T.J., or Tyler?
Danny seems like the obvious answer. He’s been great in this second half, not just with the ball, but moving the ball, and on defense.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 9:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
New game plan
Just pop up the three, Danny. A couple steps inside isn’t treating you very kindly….
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 9:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good second half
dug too big a hole as Special K says.
by Tom Lewis on Nov 24, 2009 9:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Take this positive into the game against the Clips and don’t dig the hole.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jarrett Jack
Did a great job killing the runs. We may have had a chance in this one without Jack coming to life.
by goodlucksaturday on Nov 24, 2009 9:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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