IC Cold Links: Pacers Stand Strong In Tough Central Division; Ready For Knicks Tonight
The Indiana Pacers are back in familiar (though not recent) territory in the Central Division.
After steamrolling to five straight wins for a 5-3 record, including a 91-83 win over the Nets Tuesday, the blue and gold sit tied for second place in the very, very early race in the division. Of course, the Cavs, which are visiting the Pacers on Friday, have a sturdy 8-3 lead, but the rest of the division is holding its own.
The Central has proven to be one of the toughest of the league in this young season. Only the Pistons have fallen briefly under .500 with a 5-6 mark, while no other division has more than three teams with a better than .400 record. The Pacers, however, have no real idea of how they match up with their divisional brethren. They have yet to play another rival from its own division this year. In fact, Friday's matchup with the Cavs is the only Central Division foe for the blue and gold this month.
The Pacers will have to make in-roads within its own division by beating up on the dreads across the league. Another opportunity to do that occurs tonight when the Knicks visit Conseco "Reggie Miller" Fieldhouse. With a victory, the Pacers would be winners of six straight, while also taking both games of a back-to-back, which happened only once last season.
While you're waiting for tonight's game, check out the jump for links about Roy Hibbert's dominating performance against the Nets, Troy Murphy's return to practice and what the future holds for coach Jim O'Brien.
- AP Story
- Box Score
- Photo Gallery
- Bruno's Live Blog
- Bruno focuses on the Pacers' scrappy play that helped capture Tuesday's win in his postgame report. Bruno names Roy Hibbert as the player of the game (19 points, 9-of-11 shooting, 10 rebounds), so we'll let Hibby get a quote in today's links. Take it away, Roy:
"Coming down to the end of the game we wanted to make sure we closed it out. Last year, I think that we kind of folded and we lost those close games. They made their run, we stayed strong, we dug deep and we played together and we had each other's backs out there and that's why we got this win tonight." -- Roy Hibbert
- NBA.com's Bob Considine recaps the game by noting that the Nets ran into one of the hottest teams in the NBA.
- Mike Wells and the IndyStar talks about the way the Pacers have improved this season while playing the "lesser" teams of the NBA.
- In Wells' notebook dump about Indy's Courtney Lee being injured on the league's worst team, Wells also got a brief comment from coach Jim O'Brien about Troy Murphy's return to practice on Monday. Apparently things didn't go so well. "[Murphy] can't lean on anybody or have anybody lean on him," O'Brien told the Star. "It's the NBA, people are going to lean on you."
- Wells also makes a plea for the Pacers to begin feeding the ball to Hungry Hungry Hibbert more often in the post.
- John Oehser recaps the game for Examiner.com.
- I love this. The Pacers are leaving teams in their wake that are fuming, frustrated and pissed off. The Nets also fell into this category. Here's a recap from Nets Are Scoring, while Dave D'Alessandro of the The Star-Ledger comments on the sad state of the locker room after the team's 11th-straight loss to start the season.
- D'Alessandro also writes about Trenton native Dahntay Jones having the season of his life with the Pacers.
- The Nets made a big deal about selling ridiculously cheap tix and also giving two free tix to every season-ticket holder to fill up the arena for last night's game. Well that didn't work. Only 11,332 showed up to not get their money's worth of the slow-moving, ugly contest.
- ESPN's power rankings had the Pacers climb from No. 24 to the No. 17 spot after the Boston win this weekend. Mark Stein writes the following: "We're with you, Pacer People. We watched your squad deliver another early season beatdown of the Celts -- just like last season -- and we're hoping this doesn't mean Indy is destined to peak in November. Again."
- Finally, CBSSports tries to find the next NBA coach who will bite the bullet and hit the road this season. Writer Ken Berger cites sources telling him that O'Brien is "safe, even if the Pacers return to their expected level of mediocrity after an early spasm of overachievement." No love.
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we're going streaking!
Awesome to see the Pacers finally come out of purgatory and make some noise around the league. It was even better to see that when I got to Bdubs last night the Pacers were already on the big screen without me having to ask. Sorry college basketball marathon, the Pacers are playing! Go Pacers!
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by drsuessrunner07 on Nov 18, 2009 9:37 AM EST reply actions
People mentioned trap game
against NJ. Wrong. It’s the Knicks. They’ve been shooting the ball so poorly that they’re due. Hope the Pacers limit their good looks.
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Ouch, it sure was.
We blew a big lead, starting backcourt played bad. Ford inpaticular was just a turn over machine during crunch time. The young team has to learn to play for 48 minutes, not 36. The fourth quarter was just a layed egg.
Anyone else notice
Assuming we beat New York tonight, we will be playing Cleveland for the division lead on Friday….
dont make the mistake of thinking the knicks are due. they simply have no offensive direction, and the low shooting percentage is because they jack up 3’s without first creating penitration/ seperation. im a big knicks fan (but pacers season ticket holder) and can tell you they are simply awfule.
my biggest concern in this game is that the pacers will be tired after playing last night in new jersey, while the knicks have had a few days off. its the exact same senario boston had when we beat them.
as for mike wells comment on roy hibbert… i agree they should feature him more often, he has surprisingly effective post moves. (which i never saw in college) he can even hit a jumpshot or two, even if he extends his range a bit further than he should. (he REALLY wants to take some threes, i totally called the one he took in that boston game.)
they always seem to start out feeding it to him once or twice before forgetting about him for large stretches at a time.
However, with that said, Roy is simply too weak with the ball at this point in his carrear. he has had to many turnovers where the guard coming on the double team has simply stripped the ball away from him. jim o’brien had to yank him from one game ( i think it was golden state) because he commited 2-3 turnovers in a row. this happened just as they were starting to feature him in that game.
he also needs to get stronger on the boards, mostly on the defensive end. i realize hes averaging around 10 a game, but with his size he could average 12-13 easily. he really should be dominant. i think this is another area where increased strength could really help him.
before he can be an offesnive force worthy of a consistant feature role in an offense he has to 1. Get stronger with the ball and 2. anticipate the double team more.
i think he can be a real good player in this league, and his offensive rebounding/put backs have been outstanding. his development will go a long way in determining where this team ends up.
does anyone else hate tj ford as much as me? hes #1 on my shit list. i was looking at his “girlfriend” message board site,(if you dont know what this is type “tj ford’s girlfriend” into google, you will be amazed) and toronto fans were derisivly calling him “mej,” which made me giggle. i see hes highjacked teams before.
its no conicidence the pacers got their biggest win, against boston, when ford was limited. the offesne simply works much better with earl watson, and even luther head playing unselfish, mistake free basketball. this team doesnt need another scorer, it needs a ball distributer. just look at our team assists, we must rank near the bottom of the league.
Hmmm. TJ? He tends to get pouty at times, but no, he's on my personal list
That list (in no particular order)
Ron Artest
Stephen Jackson
Jamal Tinsley
Rasheed Wallace
Sasha Vujacic
John Starks (old school)
Kevin Garnett (I had read stories about him, but they’re just stories – then I saw the barking thing he did last year and I was turned off…does he only talk to younger / shorter players? Curious.)
Rick Fox
Larry Johnson (I’m sorry, but the LJ sign was pretty lame)
I’m sure there are others.
I think Watson should start
I think Watson should start, and at some point in the season he will win the job. TJs game is better suited to coming off the bench and supplying instant aggressive offense. His mid range jumper has been poor early, but he can hit that shot. As far as running an offense, ya gotta love Watson…I noticed on the links that NJ bloggers criticized Roy for making an O face everytime he scores. DON’T LISTEN ROY. That enthusiasm and enjoyment playing the game is what this team has not had the last couple years. Roy, D Jones, and now Granger have brought back that intensity. I love, Indy loves it, the only people griping are the fans of the teams he just posterized. GO PACERS!!!
Pass first PG?
A lot of Pacer fans really knock TJ for his poor assist totals, but really is it TJ’s fault or the system’s? While probably never a “true PG,” TJ did average close to 7 assists per game in his career before coming to Indy. Coach OB’s system incorporates maximum ball movement and passing, but neither has to be spearheaded by the PG in the offense, so it’s possible a PG’s assists production will take a hit in the process. To further backup this point take a look at Earl Watson’s numbers. As a career backup he’s been good for 5-6 apg, but as a backup/semi-starter in this system his assists per game are down to 2.8. There’s no such thing as a “pass-first PG” on this team because the system doesn’t require it. Anyone who can handle the ball plays a portion of the PG role. While Ford should do better than 2.8 apg, those expecting 7-10 apg aren’t watching the design of the offense.
Remember everyone this is a young team
I see alot of comments that are pointing out all kinds of areas Roy can improve. They are correct, but let’s remember he is young. He’ll get better. He has for 6 straight years. He was a total project when he was a freshman at Georgetown. He got better every year. When we drafted him at 17 we took alot of critisism. He just went to work and proved the nay sayers wrong. He has alot of holes in his game still, but he knows it and I guarantee he’s working on them.
Good point about our system
That is so true…I think what people get upset with is that in our motion offense TJ has a tendency to absorb the ball in the half court and just look for his shot. I don’t hate TJ, he has some great qualities (defending penetration, getting his own shot) but he’s a lil feller, and I just think were a better team with Watson on the floor.
Jennings
Has anyone actually watched this kid for the length of a game yet. I remember when he was drafted the the Euro scout for ESPN said he had a ways to go, and I think his scoring average in the Euro league was in the teens with few assist. Then he’s lighting it up in the NBA early this year. I’m curious if he’s just ball hogging, or is he that good?…if he’s taking all the shots I wonder how that will fly once Redd returns…there’s only one basketball.
Jennings
Jennings is the truth. Euro scouts hate him because he didn’t play well in their systems. The guy has NBA game written all over him. Monster in the open court, unreal passing ability, and an alright jumper to go with all of it. For whatever reason because he didn’t play great in a league with older and much larger men in a college style game he lost all his NBA potential. Didn’t make sense to me at draft time and really doesn’t make sense to me now.
"My game’s like the Pythagorean Theorem. It ain’t got no answer." - Shaq
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