Wins And Losses Don't Tell The Whole Story For Pacers
With the Pacers passing the halfway mark of the season, Bruno's latest Caught in the Web takes a look back to some preseason questions about the Pacers to see how the speculation before the fact compares to the answers from the first 42 games.
Also, Wages of Wins dives into the numbers and finds some hope for the Pacers. Basically the team is playing better than their record indicates and according to the formulas used, the Pacers should be a 36 win team this year.
I mention these two items to provide a little qualitative and quantitative look at the season so far. After watching the bulk of every game this year, I find it hard to truly analyze this team because there have been so many factors involved which make it difficult to fairly evaluate the team's progress.
For fans and media, pro sports have an absolute measure of success and failure. After each game the final score determines whether a team has won or lost and thus succeeded or failed. It's a neat and tidy metric, with no qualitative variance. Regardless of the list of excuses available, if you're losing after the final buzzer sounds, there's no way to change that L to W.
But anyone who has played sports at any level realizes that analyzing a group of individuals brought together to compete as a team requires more depth than simply looking at the won-loss record. Sure you could look into the numbers, for instance you may consider a team with a losing record but a slim point differential better than a team with a similar record that is blown out regularly. But numbers are just one layer to the whole story of a team.
For the whole story, there are elements of the team that fans and media just aren't privy to during the season. There is a human element involved -- relationships, motivations, emotional highs and lows - and how each player and coach weaves their emotions into the fabric of the team begins to tell the story of the journey a team goes through in the quest for success.
Then there's the physical element of continual improvement throughout the journey. This is measured on an individual and team level for players and coaches alike. How are lessons learned from losses applied to improve the team? Could a loss actually be measured as a success? I'd say yes, if the loss exposed something to an individual player or coaching staff that becomes an opportunity to improve later on in the season.
There are steps to the growth that aren't apparent in the box score. Maybe as subtle as two players making a breakthrough when on the court together and developing a trust in one another that allows them and the team to expand their game. Knowing when to throw a lob. Understanding where a player will float for an open pass off a drive. Relying on the defensive help to rotate which allows for an aggressive play on the ball. It's a continual cycle of fail, assess, learn and improve. The failure doesn't always mean the team loses, although the assessment step is far easier after a loss.
What works? What doesn't? Who plays better off the bench? Which combinations of players work? Which don't? This is how the team's roles are defined and then refined over time.
I'm just scratching the surface here but the point is that no team is a static collection of talent that a coach can analyze, adjust according to observations and then expect a certain level of results. This brings us back to the Pacers.
The Indiana Pacers in name have played 42 games so far this season, yet the 2008-09 Indiana Pacers team has only played two games with their roster fully intact and they have yet to play a game with all available players healthy. Developing a successful team by incorporating seven new faces to the roster is a difficult task. When a mix of those new faces and old faces aren't available makes for sporadic development at best and creates a situation where certain combinations of players are never in sync.
So at the halfway mark, casting too much blame on the coach or any certain player simply isn't fair. The culture and work ethic surrounding the team has changed for the better, as desired. The team plays hard to the final buzzer despite whatever problems they have with execution. If this group can stay relatively healthy for a couple of months, some serious evaluations of the players and how they fit together can take place.
Obviously, there are a couple of solid pieces missing especially when you consider the front court scoring challenges and all-around defensive problems. But adding a key player or two to a core of nicely developing players currently on the roster could make a big difference and lead to an easier way to measure success, by counting W's.
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agreed
More than anything else, what I hope for out of this season is that it will be a building block for the team to come together for the future.
by psvirsky on Jan 22, 2009 7:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is why cornrows is running this sight ...
Excellent insight. As fans I believe we all wanted to rebuild with out the process, I mean watching losses. Typical American greed I guess, but you are right with this team half way through the season we can’t expect too much. New players, new rotations, injuries etc there is no way to make an accurate assessment of this team’s potential. With the proper patience coupled with support by the fans and Mr. Bird with his player moves we can get be winners again.
by Man of Pace on Jan 22, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Looking back on this season...
BEST BEST BEST case scenario would be a 50 win season, with everyone healthy. There is no way at all this is even a contender for a title. Danny’s progress has been well documented here and other Pacer sites, but he is finally getting national media attention. This would have never happened with Jermaine here or Dunleavy being healthy all season. So these injuries and trades have only made Danny stronger, better, more confident. Now with this Pacer team, we have a guy we can actually build around. No one has won it all on his own though, and Danny will need some help. I would love to see some kind of package including literally, anyone on the roster, to get Danny his Robin (and he could even visit Danny’s bat cave.) I would love a big guy like an Al Jefferson or an Amare or someone of the like, and build around that. We are definitely looking better than last year though
by captain flitzy on Jan 22, 2009 11:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would love a trade for Amare right now, although I would rather have Jefferson I don’t think Minnesota moves him because that is all they have to show for KG right now. Amare though wants out of Phoenix and the Suns need expiring contracts, hello Pacers.
How about this trade,
Amare and Alando Tucker for Daniels, Nesterovic, Jack, and B. Rush
I think this would even get us into the playoffs this year while giving us the post presence we need going forward.
by ThirtyOne on Jan 22, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i would do that in a heartbeat...
but i cant see the suns getting back no starters for amare, or should i say “amar’e.” i didnt look at salary but i would put murphy in there as well. God, granger and Amare in there with a healthy TJ would be dangerous man.
by captain flitzy on Jan 22, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I ran the trade on the Trade Machine and it worked out just fine. I would love to get Murphy out but seeing as how he only makes about three million less than Amare I’m sure the Suns also want nothing to do with him.
by ThirtyOne on Jan 22, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just got done listening to the Bill Simmons Podcast with JA Adande…and they talk about trading amare to toronto and then getting marion back there as well, and having nash be their calderon. Than Adande actually said hed love to see Amare go somewhere like Indiana, he said it twice. The more i think about it I think it could be a reality. Whats the deal with Tinsleys contract? I am sure it has to have some value right?
by captain flitzy on Jan 23, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
usually i buy into the whole
“you are what your record says you are” thing, but the 2008-09 Pacers are the exception to that rule.
i was explaining to somebody the other day about how this was the best “bad” team that i’ve ever seen. don’t get me wrong, they are horrible defensively, but they have a good enough offense that they should be better than their 15-27 record would indicate.
you mentioned the injuries, that’s part of it. also, almost half (13) of tthe Pacers’ 27 losses have come by five points or less. if they were even adequate defensively (i.e. good enough to get a stop when it really counted late in the game), they could easily have that record flipped.
Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!
by Anthony Masons Haircut on Jan 22, 2009 12:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Take off the rose colored glasses
This team is FAR from a finished product. Nothing about this team says 50 wins. Then next 20-25 days will say alot about where the franchise is heading.
Do they
A) Trade some of these expiring contracts for actual assets
B) Do they pull a Memphis Grizzlies and let these guys expire in the name of “Flexability”
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
by aaronb on Jan 22, 2009 2:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think Option B would be a horrible move. We will not be able to sign any decent free agents this summer so if we don’t get something for Rasho, Daniels, and Jack now then we will just be letting them expire and get nothing to improve the team.
by ThirtyOne on Jan 22, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The thing I love about the Pacers
is that they are just so damn lovable. It’s physically impossible not to like Danny Granger and as a Notre Dame fan I like Murphy. TJ Ford has been one of my favorites since he was at Texas. They play to win the game every time. They’ve had some curshing losses, but if they can get a strong post offensive player, they will be a playoff team without a doubt. The love around the city is noticable too. No longer are the days of Stephen Jackson and Jamaal Tinsley. I love the 14 Pacers that suit up. Even though players like Rasho, Daniels and Jack may leave this offseason, I’m sure the organization can replace them with other quality players and people.
by Colts Homer on Jan 22, 2009 8:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs














