Simon Says: Jamaal 'outlived his welcome here'
Guess what? The Indiana Pacers are trying to deal Jamaal Tinsley but they will not buyout his contract. I know, Larry Bird already said as much, but team leaders, including the lead dog, Herb Simon, continue to hammer home the point.
GM Daivd Morway told RealGM that the Pacers weren't even considering the buyout option for Tinsley and appear to be in some negotiations.
"Right now we are in conversations with a few teams, and we'll see where that takes us," he added. "But our intent is to trade Jamaal and try to find the right situation for both him and the franchise."
Then this afternoon, Mike Wells revealed comments from Pacers owner and CEO, Herb Simon.
“Tinsley, he’s probably outlived his welcome here,” Simon said. “He’s a very talented player. Teams will give us a hard time because they know it’s better for him and for us to have him play somewhere else. We’re confident that we’ll find a good place.”
Both of these comments affirm the Pacers' stance that teams interested in Tinsley shouldn't wait for the Pacers to buyout Tins. They also raise a point sometimes lost in the disparaging comments about JT and that is the fact that he (Tinsley) wants out of town as badly as the Pacers want him off the roster.
Point guard remains a need position in various outpost around the League and with a layer of NBA depth starting to head to Europe, Tinsley will surely appeal to a few teams, especially considering the price won't be too steep.
Actually, the real news here revolves around the comments Mike Wells procured from Herb Simon. Not the comments themselves, but the fact that Herb Simon is publicly commenting on a player's status on the team. After Donnie Walsh left, Simon named himself CEO and proclaimed he would take a more hands-on role with the team. I wasn't sure what that would mean at the time, but now I do. Prior to Walsh leaving, I can't ever remember Simon offering such direct comments on the day-to-day issues surrounding the team. I'm sure he has at some point in the past but if so, those comments were quite rare.
Mr. Simon is fully engaged and that's the best news I've read all summer. I've given Jim Morris all of the credit for the noticeable change in approach coming out of the Fieldhouse. I guess I need to re-assess and pass some of that credit to Mr. Simon, as well.
[UPDATE:] Here's an updated story (also updated above) with more comments from Herb Simon, including some discouragement about the sagging ticket sales despite the positive buzz around the team this summer. Sorry, but Pacer fans are in full "show me" mode at this point. All the positive talk is nice but until that talk is backed up with a equally positive effort on the court, fans won't return.
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I read on RealGM.com that the Pacers are talking to the Kings, Knicks, Heat, and Suns about Tinsley. Miami is offering Udonis Haslem. New York- David Lee and Mailk Rose, the Pacers would put Shawne Williams in that deal. Tinsley and Williams to Phoenix for Boris Diaw. And Tinsley, Williams, and Stephen Graham to Kings for Quincy Douby, Shelden Williams, and Francisco Garcia. Whether that is all true are not, I don’t know. That’s what on RealGM.com.
by ebpunkin on Aug 6, 2008 10:51 AM EDT 0 recs
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I have a hard time buying that the Knicks would want to trade their most popular player for Tinsley. Walsh probably left Indiana because he never wanted to see Tinsley again so why would he want to bring him to NY? If it was up to me I would definitely do the deal with the Kings since Douby, Williams, and Garcia are all still on rookie deals and therefore aren’t owed a lot of money going forward. And maybe one of the three of them turns into something.
by ThirtyOne on
Aug 6, 2008 11:30 AM EDT
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Yep
I think D.Lee and Malik (I think it’s an expiring contract) is way too much. Especially for NY, those are like their only 2 assets.
I don’t think Phoenix trades for him either. They want a backup PG, but Diaw is a really versatile player and one of the few young players they have going forward after the Nash era. Plus, Diaw doesn’t have injury concerns or character issues that pertain to Tinsley.
Miami wants a point guard as well, that deal makes sense to me. Haslem is a solid starter, too good to be a backup to Beasley, who will take most of his minutes.
The kings really want a PG, but they just signed Udrih to what looks like close to the full MLE. With players like Rubio and Jennings in next years draft, I don’t see why they would go out and get a rental on a veteran player like Tinsley. They are in complete rebuilding mode right now. They might only win 25 games next year.
Fair value at this point for Tinsley imo, is an EC+filler+draft pick. Something similar to the Ron Artest deal.
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by Dheepan on
Aug 7, 2008 3:39 AM EDT
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The Kings trade
would help both teams because they desperately need a starting point guard and we need forward depth. Any of these trades are ideal though except the Phoenix one because Diaw isn’t much of an upgrade over Murphy.
by pacers33 on Aug 6, 2008 12:33 PM EDT 0 recs
Honestly
Any of those deals would be great. I heard Haslem for Tinsley got shot down by MIA. My preference would have to be the SAC deal but I don’t think they are as desperate since signing Udrih. I think the NYK deal would be fine too since Malik is expiring and Lee is a very solid player, though not a great fit in IND. I think if any of these deals are a possibility, it may be NYK, even with Walsh leaving and knowing about how Tinsley works. His contract comes off the books at the right time and will give them an okay PG until that time.
But like I said I’m pretty skeptical about any of these, because I feel its a great return for a guy that some teams have to feel will get bought out.
by kennythered on Aug 7, 2008 11:39 PM EDT 0 recs






