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Don't Forget: Jamaal Tinsley Can Play Point Guard

I think we can all agree that the Pacers need to move Jamaal Tinsley and the sooner the better. Unfortunately, his stock has dipped like home values in Carmel and unlike real world transactions, the Pacers can't just trade Tins for nothing. The NBA CBA forces them to take back equal value, so finding the right trading partner appears nearly impossible at this point.

I'm a huge fan of Tinsley's game when he's motivated and healthy. A fresh start on a PG-needy team would certainly provide the motivation for Jamaal to move on with his career and leave behind all the drama and trauma he's been through in Indy. Plus, I love ball, so I want to see more sweetness like this gem from last year, regardless of the jersey color.

 

Star-divide

Those type of plays were common place during Mal Mal's injury-shortened 2007-08 season. I can't tell you how many times I've watched Tins handle the ball in traffic, appear stymied and then end up with a positive play which required replay to determine the sleight of hand (or ball) used to complete the play. Here's a few more, finishes to illustrate my point. 


I'm convinced there's plenty more of this game left in Tins and we need to find a nice place for him to land. Now, Tins has plenty of other positives to his game. He's strong, stout PG who can get in the lane and finish. Early in the year (when he was healthy and motivated) Tins routinely took smaller guards down on the block and fed 'em a steady diet of one handers.

He's not fleet of foot nor a great one-on-one defender, but he does play well in a team defensive system and has great hands and anticipation which seems to always produce two or three steals when he's playing regular mintues.

What does a team need to help make Jamaal successful?

They need a coach who is willing to give Tins the ball and freedom to make plays. Rick Carlisle shackled Tinsley with his half-court sets and eventually sucked the life out of his game. Jim O'Brien pumped life back into 11's game by changing the pace and letting him push the ball whenever possible. JOB is very demanding, though, and is quick to point out errors in his PG's ways.

So, Tinsley needs a pace-friendly coach who won't be yelling about every missed opportunity or defenisive breakdown. Paging Coach D'Antoni, Coach Mike D'Antoni.

Off the court, Jamaal needs a big city that will let him breathe at night. A place where his Bentley won't be a rare sighting nor draw attention wherever it stops. It would also help if the local NBA point guard ranked way down the list of celebrities sightings on any night. Tinsley has found trouble being a big fish in a small pond, so a place where the locals don't try to measure their manhood by messing with a pro baller would be best. New York, L.A., Miami, Chicago. would be ideal. Phoenix, Dallas, Philly, D.C., Oakland and Cleveland would work as well with the right roster situation.

As for the ideal scenarios, forget Chicago.  With Derrick Rose in the fold the Bulls are trying to unload PGs not add any. I could see the Nets working out with Tinsley playing behind Devin Harris. The minutes would have to be right for this to work, so it's not an ideal situation. The Pacers would happily take Stromile Swift. Tins would certainly be an upgrade over Keyon Dooling, but if the Nets had such inclincations they would've already looked to Tins instead of Dooling, so forget it.

Either L.A. team would be a great situation for Tins although they may not agree with that point. The Lakers are too close to take any chances and since Kobe runs the team, they don't really need a PG to direct traffic in the triangle.

The Clippers would be a much better fit. Lower profile team, plenty to prove, and between he and Baron Davis the Clips should get 82 games of solid PG work, plus they could play at the same time occasionally. The Clips could create matchup hell with playing two Cs and two PGs at the same time. Sounds like fun to me. The dynamic with Boom would be interesting but why not? Of course, the Clips just traded Brevin Knight for PG Jason Hart, so they're likely out of the market, as well.

Moving right along, let's look at the Knicks. Mike D'Antoni and the Knicks current PG situation make this an ideal situation for Tinsley. You talk about motivation. Back home at the Garden running a D'Antoni offense with low (initially) expectations. Perfect. The Knicks remain a mess, but they have plenty of finishers who would find love and happiness playing with Jamaal. Donnie Walsh is firm believer in redemption, but he's already given Tins a handful of second chances. He may not have any left. The expiring contract of Malik Rose would be a handsome trade, although I'm sure Donnie would try to pull at the local heartstrings by offering Jared Jeffries. I'd rather keep Tins for a later deal.

Okay, that leaves us with Miami and a Heat team that really needs Jamaal Tinsley but they just don't want to admit it. Mario Chalmers is the future at PG but the Heat have enough talent to start winning again, now. Tins could average 12 assists a night with that stable of finishers and still allow plenty of minutes for Chalmers to let his big league game develop. We know the Pacers and Heat have discussed Tinsley for Udonis Haslem, a deal that would certainly bolster Larry Bird's GM status around town. Haslem is exactly what the Pacers need right now and to get him for Tinsley would be a genius stroke. I wouldn't be opposed to Mark Blount coming back for Tins. Certainly not great, but Blount has played for JOB before and the move ends the Tins saga, once and for all.

Whoa, this post became a little wordy. My intention was to remind everyone that Jamaal Tinsley can play PG in the NBA and play it well in the right situation. No he's not perfect, if he was he'd be making $15 mil/yr. But at roughly $7mil/yr the guy has plenty of game to offer a team with PG needs. If you have any other good options for dealing Tinsley, I'd love to hear 'em.

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1) JT to the Cavs for Eric Snow’s expiring contract. I understand Jamaal and Mike
Brown got along well in Indy.
2) JT to the Kings for Kenny Thomas. Sacramento wants to deal him almost as
much as the Pacers do Tinsley. I read that Thomas is anxious to redeem his
reputation and is working out extra-hard this summer. And his contract is a year
shorter than Tinsley’s.

By the way, I don’t think the Knicks or Nets would work for another reason: they
aren’t taking on contracts that go beyond 2009-2010. As for the Miami scenarios,
I read that Blount isn’t a very good locker room presence these days. Not sure the
Pacers need that.

by fanaticus on Jul 24, 2008 12:21 AM EDT   0 recs

I was going to sound off about C-Rows thread but now I gotta respond to the Kings portion too...

The Kings are looking to attach Kenny Thomas to any Ron Artest trade. And they aren’t looking to take an extra year of salary just to move Thomas. As a Kings fan I consider that a unilateral move. Teams usually try to avoid those.

I think the Sonics might be willing to look at Tinsley for Ridnour if they were looking for an older player to man the point while Westbrook grows up. But, I think the best play for Indy would to be a Mark Blount for Jamaal Tinsley trade that allows Miami to get a better PG, and allows Indy to be done with him once and for all. Seeing Tins be successful in South Beach wouldn’t be sooting though woudl it?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 24, 2008 12:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would also point out

That if doing this deal costs the Pacers luxury tax, why do it? It seems that Blount would cost the Pacers just enough money that the breathing room they currently have from the L-Tax would be eaten up by the difference in salary between the 2. So if they don’t go over the tax by doing that type of deal, they would be very very close with no ability to pick up a player in emergency circumstances without going over the threshold. Also, and I’m not quite sure why but, Blount seems to be one of the few big men that Miami does have. That might make Riley hesitant to deal him. Again, I don’t know why.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 24, 2008 1:03 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

excellent points

But there are very good reasons why any conceivable trade deal involving Tinsley
might not work. We are all grasping at straws here.

By the way, I would think the Kenny Thomas deal would cause the Pacers to get much
closer to the luxury tax limit than would the Blount deal. I read that Thomas makes
$1.4 million more than JT, while Blount makes $600.000 more than JT. Blount would
still leave the Pacers with some breathing room. (I believe the Pacers are $2 million+
below the threshold at this juncture).

by fanaticus on Jul 24, 2008 8:55 AM EDT   0 recs

All excellent points...

but can anyone else say that their point guard took every single shot but i believe on frmo about 4 minutes left and all of overtime, with shawn marion guarding them??
HA!

by captain flitzy on Jul 24, 2008 9:42 AM EDT   0 recs

Shhhh

I’m trying to sell here.

by Cornrows on Jul 24, 2008 9:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Blount for Tinsley

Blount for Tinsley should be a good deal.
If Miami is afraid of losing one of their few big men, suggest they make a offer sheet for David Harrison. We won’t match it.

LOL

Pacers Forever

by Hansel on Jul 24, 2008 9:49 AM EDT   0 recs

How about Tinsley for Chris Wilcox??

Tinsley could be the “Thunder’s” starting point guard until Russell Westbrook develops kinda like the Heat trade. If Chris doesn’t work out, his contract ends next year. They both make the same amount of money each year so we don’t have to worry about going over the tax. He would fit perfectly into our offense and fill the void of athletic big man.

by pacers33 on Jul 24, 2008 2:33 PM EDT   0 recs

The Sonics would want to deal Ridnour

For at least several reasons as I can tell. They’ve been trying to deal him ever since Sam Presti arrived with the organization, and 2) they might want to get rid of Ridnour because he is from Bellingham which is about 150 miles north of Seattle near the Canadian border. That might be reason for them to move Ridnour, and for the Pacers to get rid of Tinsley. But Wilcox? I just don’t see that being a necessary move for them if only because he’s an expiring contract.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 28, 2008 7:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

more thoughts on the possible miami deal

seeing as miami didn’t accept our initial offer of JT for haslem, why not include shawne williams as well? that should sweeten the pot enough to make the heat seriously think about it, and it gets both of them out of indy, and gets the fans off managements back about the whole situation. the problem the arrises in salaries, with the pacers sending 8.25 out (1.5 SW, 6.75 JT) and only taking haslems 6.5 in, meaning the pacers would need to recieve one extra player worth around 1.75 mil. or perhaps they would just get another trade exception. not really sure how the exception works. miami players with salaries near 1.75 mil are daequan cook, smush parker, and dorrell wright, all of whom have contracts that either expire after this season or are team option.

by cirknick on Jul 30, 2008 4:33 PM EDT   0 recs

sounds good to me

although I don’t know if Shawne would sweeten or sour the deal at this point.

by Cornrows on Jul 30, 2008 5:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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