The Blazers are anti-problem players even more than the Pacers now. Why would a team on the up take a trash PG with a big contract. Dream on.

I was in disbelief when I saw the title that anyone could see this as a logical trade, but after reading it, I definitely can see this happening. The Blazers are good enough to win right now, and Tinsley can provide the veteran experience necessary. With the 13th pick, Kosta Koufus or Joe Alexander would be the best picks.

Exactly, Grandpa, look at the New England Patriots, once you have a high character coach with the team for a few years, watered out the bad character players, and built a team completely of good character players, the risk is way lower because of the culture. I am not saying the Blazers are going to bring back Rasheed Wallace, Bonzi Wells, and the Jail Blazers, i’m saying they are opening willing to bring in a 28 year old proven guard with two questions health and character, if he screws up, he is expendable, they can cut him, they can waive him, because as I said, they waived Darius Miles, and have space to do something like this. (just like the Pats did with Moss, and I do understand they had already been winning championships at that time, well think, they did the same thing with problem child Corey Dillon, once the culture is in place, outside elements can be put into the controlled environment, but in no way would they draft a 20 year old PG with character issues by any means)

and the money they would be giving him would be coming much from Darius Miles who has done nothing but sit on their bench, obviously the rewards of having Tinsley will be far greater than D. Miles!

Each one of your reasons was completely believable… If they do get the #13 pick I wouldn’t mind taking Darrell Arthur. Seth- a healthy Tinsley is easily better than every guard in this draft besides Derrick Rose. I think you’re forgetting that Tinsley is an outstanding player. Jamaal is way worth the risk for “Rip City”

Look I’d LOVE LOVE LOVE if this trade happened. But seriously.

When’s the last time you heard of a team trading away their best PG (who apparently is amazing) when PG their consensus #1 need? If he’s worth the risk to them why is he not worth the risk to us?

Anyway to further illustrate this I’ll attempt to debunk the points brought up. Look I may be wrong, but I doubt it in this situation:

1. While it’s true that the Blazers seem to not want the #13 pick, Tinsley wouldn’t be the best trade offer on the board. In a trade that is actually rumored, not just speculative, they may trade the pick and Webster to Pheonix for Barbosa. A player that is proven, has not character flaws on record, and stays healthy.

2. This is the same point as #1, just rephrased. They don’t want the pick. Got it. I understand the Blazers don’t want the pick, but they’re not going to give it away.

3. If you read the Chad Ford part that you included it says, “If they keep all of their young players for another year, they could have significant cap room next summer. In other words, it will have to be a good deal for the Blazers to pull the trigger.” If you were a GM would you give up loads of soon to be clearing cap space for Tinsley? Really, be honest. His contract is terrible, and that’s not even debatable.Also take into consideration that PGs like Jason Kidd will be on the market next year. Wouldn’t they rather wait and sign Kidd for a title run?

4. They key to this argument is essentially. “Well if he stays healthy”. Let’s look at how many games he’s played the past 5 seasons: 52, 40, 42, 72, 39. Yeah, you wanta put money on him staying healthy?

5. Essentially, you’re saying if he does get hurt it won’t be that huge of a deal. Ok, made my point for me.

6. The idea of “grooming” a PG seems is just dumb. Who’s the last great PG who came in and didn’t start right away? Seriously, I can’t think of one. It’s just not how the NBA works. And even if they “groom” they already have that PG. His name is Sergio Rodriguez. Futhermore, the Blazers aren’t going to be picking top 15 anytime soon. They’re on the up and up and won’t be in the lottery for the foreseeable future.

7. Sure they’re in “win now” mode. But they probably won’t seriously contend for a year or two while their young players get playoff experience. Plus their window for success extends for probably a decade or so with their young talent. Bringing in a guy with bad character has far more chance to wreck the young guys then it is worth.

Some additional points:

1. Having Oden will make the PGs they have look a lot better. When you’ve got two post threats, plus Roy it doesn’t take Steve Nash to rack up assists.

2. The Blazers will be one of the top teams even with their current PGs, they’re very similar to New Orleans this year. They don’t need Tinsley. When you have Roy, Oden, Aldridge (and maybe Webster), you’re looking at a guy to come in and be a minor contributor.

3. You can make it to the Playoffs, heck even the finals without great PG play. Just look at the Finals this year, the PGs for both sides contributed very little (on occasional shot for Fisher, nothing from Cassel and Farmar, some shots late for House, and Rondo not even being a threat to shoot), yet each team got there.

4. Portland is a franchise who is concerned about what their fans think. The fans were so overjoyed to finally get rid of all the bad apples last year. Do you think they’ll be suddenly excited taking on another one? No. Trading for Tinsley would be an incredibly unpopular move in Portland.

But ya know what? We’ll see what happens.

Dude, bra, we are rebuilding, our secondest biggest need is a big man, are you saying why to that when we have a 6 time all-star in Jermaine O’Neal? Because its time for youth and we arent looking to win now, but the Cavs would love to get JO, why, need I say more?

also, Kidd would be holding up their money when it would be time to sign Webster and Roy long term, which could then effect signing Oden long term. The Blazers “Big Three” if you will are set, they just need to build around them. Once they have them long term they would look to do things like that but until then I really think using the extra money on Tinsley, rather than wasting it is their best move. Going after Hinrich or Ford would be a waste and they would ask for far more than the 13th pick for those prospects. In the end their only option for improving their PG in my mind is Tinsley.

and my main argument wasnt “if he stays healthy”, thats just part of the risk in them doing it and part of the reason why he is at a discount. If he stays healthy, they could without a doubt win now, if not, its time to mark it up for a loss, try to win with what they have and move on. Change of environments are always a big thing with players, especially ones who have spent their entire career with one team and are at the 29-30 mark. Look at the risk and rewards of the Suns taking Barkley, the Bulls taking Rodman, or the Pacers taking Perkins, Mullins, or any of their late veteran additions that helped them to a NBA Finals.

My last point to your argument about the Finals now, yeah the PGs contributed very litte, with the exception of Rondo who came on really strong but do you remember what those teams did to solidify their squads? They both brought in veteran point guards, for what, the playoffs.

Lakers – Derek Fisher, 33 years old

Celtics – Sam Cassell, 38 years old

Fisher started over Farmar who would be a started on most teams, I can easily see Tinsley doing the same for 2-3 years for the Blazers, thats my last point I wanted to bring up in relation to what you said.

You submitted the same post at Blazers Edge and 40 of us made the same points that Seth made. The odds of this trade happening are drastically lower than the odds that the earth really is flat.

BTW, isn’t Tinsley palming the ball in that photo?

No its just an optical illusion, Mike Dunleavy, however, in the other photo is dreaming about how awesome it is going to be once he is traded to the Pacers… we will see Thursday