More Thoughts On The Pacers And Celtics
Whenever I go to game at Conseco Fieldhouse I always absorb way more information than I can transmit. I throw some of it in a comment or update the game thread, but when the next game on the schedule is ready to tip, the info loses its relevance. Plus, after a tough loss the locker room is a morgue and I prefer to stick with what happened during the game. But, with two full days off before the next game, I thought I'd share a few thoughts and observations I picked up before and during the game last night.
- I normally like to check out individual workouts when I arrive at the Fieldhouse. At 4:00PM yesterday, the rooks were engaged in separate workouts with an assistant coach. Technically, Josh McRoberts isn't a rookie but he's in a similar development mode so he was out there with Brandon Rush and Roy Hibbert. In hindsight, Josh was prepping for the biggest minutes of his young NBA career. In workouts, he showed the 3-ball range he possesses, although that flat shot doesn't thrill me. Later in the game he knocked down 19-footer and missed a three. While he played pretty well, you can see he's playing and thinking and thinking and playing. The tough part with these young guys is finding them enough minutes so they become comfortable enough to just play with confidence. Too many minutes, at this point, would do more harm than good.
- That brings me to Brandon Rush who as it would turn out, was working out prior to his first career DNP-CD. You would never know he was dealing with a temporary demotion from his workout or body language. As his workout ended, Dick Harter asked Brandon how he felt. He responded, good, real good with a big smile on his face. At the time I thought Harter was asking Brandon about his physical health, but in hindsight, considering the exchange, the question was about Brandon's mental health. The question from Harter and his presence courtside watching the workout also showed some subtle yet solid support for Brandon.
- Speaking of Dick Harter, seeing him courtside two hours prior to the opening tip, I couldn't help but wonder how many player workouts like this he has observed over the years. Thousands.
- I overheard an interesting comment from Chris Denari on the Pacers schedule compared to the Indianapolis Colts. While the Pacers are playing the Celtics, Lakers, Cavaliers, Celtics, Raptors and Pistons, the Colts play the Cincinatti Bengals and Detroit Lions. Opposite ends of the strength of schedule continuum, for sure.
- As I mentioned in the game thread, after watching the Celtics workout for a bit, their youth is glaring. They have some great young players and other young players with that are developing (Patrick O'Bryant. Take away the “big three” and Sam I Am and there arent' many several-year vets left. I don’t count Perkins either because he just turned 24 and when you throw in the other young bigs under the tutelage of Clifford Ray, the long-term outlook for the C's is nearly as promising as the short term.
- During the game, a scout near me responded to a carry call on Rajon Rondo with a "thank you" response. I noticed Rondo moving the ball around a lot during the Tuesday game, so I mentioned that he gets away with that quite a bit. The scout admitted he wasn't a fan of Rondo's game and that if he was on another team with average talent Rondo would be considered a garbage point guard. That surprised me because Rondo seems to be a good fit, but the scout's point was that, as we witnessed first hand, finding KG running the floor or Ray Allen and Paul Pierce for kick outs would make any PG look good.
- Speaking of scouts, I noticed a Bulls' scout using a laptop with scouting software to input information he was collecting. He also had a paper pad to jot down notes but I'm sure the software allows a scout to capture detailed information and compile everything into nice reports. I assume this is the norm, but it is quite a contrast to a game I attended earlier in the year when veteran NBA scout/coach Bob Staak was using a hard copy notepad and pen for the Orlando Magic. I remember thinking at the time that Staak's method will force someone to transfer his info to a computer program and hope the transfer catches all the intended meaning. Just seems like an antiquated way to go and far less efficient, even if the value of Staak's content is better.
- Prior to the tip, a shapely female Celtics' fan drew the attention of many with the tight Celtics "uniform" mini-dress she was wearing. In the second half she drew the attention of everybody, including the big screen camera folks when she held up a sign wishing Larry Bird a happy 52nd birthday. Well done.
- Finally, a bonus link: Paul Forrester includes Marquis Daniels in his group of five players seizing the opportunity of unexpected playing time.
Marquis Daniels, Pacers. Indiana is only 7-13, but its brutal schedule already has included three games against Boston, two each with Cleveland and Orlando and one apiece against Houston and the Lakers. Daniels is a big reason why the Pacers are within striking distance of the .500 mark. He has played well in place of starting shooting guard Mike Dunleavy, whose return from a bone spur in his right knee is a mystery worthy of a CSI episode. There may not be much rush if Daniels (15.9 points, 5.8 rebounds) continues to produce.
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hmmm
Brandon was known last year for not playing aggresively, every game. Wonder if this decision had something to do with his effort.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
Rondo A Garbage guard?
That sounds pretty bad, didn’t he just have a triple double?
Yea like did the scout miss that or something? I am a Rondo Fan, his speed is incredible, and I think he is really developing into an elite guard.
I think Rondo’s PG skills are decent, but he’s more like a game-manager QB than an elite PG running a team. In a way, he reminds me of a younger Eli Manning in that the talent around him makes his job a lot easier but at the same time both of them make big plays from time to time when needed. He’s not an elite offensive PG either in terms of scoring or passing but he’s pretty decent and doesn’t make as many mistakes as he used to. His D on the other hand is what gives him the chance to really become an elite PG. Considering those long-ass arms of his and overall size he has the capability to guard any other guard (although he could use a little more weight)
I mean, I wouldn’t mind having him, but there are a decent number of PG’s I’d prefer. He just fits in well in Boston
Rondo
If the Celtics had an outstanding point guard, they’d be truly scary.
As it is, they tend to stagnate in some offensive sets. Fortunately, they have players who can create their own shots.
Rondo has limited skills, but he defends relatively well. From that standpoint, he’s not a liability.
He plays a role on a very talented team.
Re: Rondo
Your sir, are incorrect. I am a Celtics fan that watches every single game. When Rondo is in the game, the offense rarely stagnates. The offense often becomes stagnant when the second unit comes in, because Eddie House is not a playmaking point guard.
As for Rondo himself, isn’t 20-2 an outstanding record? One more win and the Celtics have the best start in franchise history. That’s pretty scary to me. Obviously you can say if you plugged Chris Paul or Deron Williams in the lineup instead of Rondo, the Celtics would be unbeatable. But beyond those two, I wouldn’t want another point guard other than Rondo. He’s one of the quickest point guards in the league, he has great court vision, and he finishes well. For his size, he might be the most athletic guy in the league. And yes, he defends well.
The only “limited skill” that Rondo has is, obviously, his outside shooting, which is getting better. He already has almost as many threes this year as he did all of last year. And even when guys lay five feet off him, he still manages to blow past them. If you watch the Celtics regularly, you’d see that Rondo creates most of the shots through pushing the ball up the floor and penetrating the lane. He plays more than “a role on a very talented team.” Tony Allen and Leon Powe are role players; Rondo is in the all star conversation, and rightly so. He’s been playing like one for the past month.
Rondo=Tinsley with D
I went to this game with a buddy who is a Celts fan. Now, its clear from my friend and the poster above that Celts fans have an irrational belief that Rondo is a top 5 point guard. That’s ok, I have an irrational love of Austin Croshere. Rondo does play excellent defense but I would have to agree on the parallel to “game managing QB.” With the Big 3 around him all he has to do is not screw up everything. Heck, Tinsley can do that. Tinsley also struggles with his perimeter shooting. And I believe that I could score 10 points a game when you have 2 guys guarding KG and 2 guys chasing Pierce. Add in the one guy who has to make sure Allen isn’t wide open and it shouldn’t be too hard. I think Rondo is good but I overheard this comment from a Celt fan: “Yeah right, Rondo is a much better all around player than Granger.” This proves that Rondo has the Celts fans drinking the Kool Aid.












