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The fraud of T-Murder ....

[From the FanPosts, Man of Pace wants to make sure Troy Murphy's numbers so far this year don't divert your attention from the holes in his game as a starting power forward. -CR]

 

Troy Murphy should be convicted of fraud.

 

Double doubles mean big contracts in the NBA. Troy Murphy knows this very well, ask the Golden State GM Chris Mullin who signed him to his current deal, 6 yr $60+mil(only 3 year remaining), then ask him why he was traded, Would you move a guy who can get a double-double without even playing that well. Yes, was the reply from former Pacer Mullin who traded Murph 2 years ago. By my assessment, Mully came to this realization: Troy can't defend and has no offensive post game to justify the minutes his contract would demand.

 

The team is playing very hard and everyone enjoys watching the effort . Couple the close losses with the effort and we are forced as fans to analyze the problems. Teams took notice when we beat Boston and LA and I think other coaches see what I see.  A rather large area to attack in the paint. I personally can't over look the fraud that is taking place, 20 & 20 is impressive and should lead to a win.

 

Here is a note from a Golden State fan. "On a playoff-caliber team, Murphy is not a starter. He'd make a good 6th or 7th man off the bench" Now we here in Indiana are making T-Murder a cornerstone of our team? No wonder when the game is on the line we are losing. The opponent throws the ball down low to the get high percentage shots, and then we settle for our perimeter game and lose by 8 to 10 points. I think Troy is trying to be Larry Bird but we have to remember Larry had McHale and Parrish in the post.

 

I know everyone on this site is tired of me bagging on T-Murder. These are the last of my derogatory statements about Troy. Until the end of the season by then someone in the Pacer front office will see the light and obtain a post presence (then we can rejoice together on our way to the playoffs) or they will remain delusional about these awesome numbers he is posting and end up top with a top 5 in the lottery pick next year.

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Good stuff, MoP

I don’t think the Pacers consider Murph a cornerstone player. He has put up better than expected numbers and I would put his play pretty far down on the list of problems areas for the Pacers right now. Still, Bird always mentions the need to acquire an impact PF so that reinfoces the idea that he doesn’t consider Murph the answer for long term success.

For now, he’s all the Pacers have and he’s doing about as well as can be expected.

by Tom Lewis on Dec 11, 2008 3:34 PM EST reply actions  

Moreover. . .

If Troy had all the attributes we would like to see in a power forward, the Pacers
never would have been able to acquire him.

If Troy is a fraud, then what’s Al Harrington? the Pacers at least broke even on
this portion of the trade—and probably came out ahead.

by fanaticus on Dec 11, 2008 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

I guess

I’m just mad that we took on sooooo much money in that deal. Troy is, well, Troy is just “eh.” Not great but not terrible. He’s just massively overpaid. That’s not his fault, its Golden State’s (for signing him) and ours (for trading for him).

Also, while I sort of see where your head is at with the “even on this portion” comment, you really can’t break it down like that. Even if this comment gets me hated around here, SJax was and is perfect for the current offense we employ under JOB and people still aren’t coming to the games. All we did was take cap space away. But, the team wanted him gone, they got their wish, and have made really good moves since then (esp. on draft day).

by TheHawk5 on Dec 11, 2008 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

To the comment what is Al Harrington?

Al Harrington is a fraud of a PF also. Good player but not a 4 or a winner.

JAX was the real deal.

I love the guys game but Dunleavy has not played in 21 games this year, moreover we still don’t know how Dunleavy will mesh with the new look Pacers.

Troy is a fraud.

I agree with TheHawk JAX would be absolutley perfect in our system right now (Good D, Can shoot)

Still not one player we are discussing can play in the post. There needs to be a new position added to the NBA language in the same sense of the guards who are 1s and 2s tweeners .. for 3s and 4s ___________ suggestions ?

by Man of Pace on Dec 11, 2008 7:12 PM EST reply actions  

. . .I agree with both of you. I always thought Jackson (as a basketball player) was
under-appreciated here. I also agree that the trade must be judged in toto and
not broken into components.

I just don’t think calling Troy a fraud is appropriate. He’s not. He is what he is. If
anything, he has pleasantly surprised this year.

So—I won’t argue with criticisms of Donny for making this trade, but don’t take it out
on Troy by smearing him with the use of a term that doesn’t apply.

By the way—Pacer attendance this year is up significantly—in a year when the
attendance of many of the other teams is dropping like a stone.

by fanaticus on Dec 11, 2008 7:23 PM EST reply actions  

Yep

That’s what I said, he is what he is but what he is isn’t a player worth that much money. I sound like Dr. Suess.

by TheHawk5 on Dec 12, 2008 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

While We're on the Subject

I have immense respect for the stewardship of this franchise by Donny over the
years. A great amount of the credit goes to him for making the Pacers as vibrant
and successful as they were.

But I think, during the last three or four years, that he slipped a little bit. I don’t think
he was a decisive and proactive as he needed to be in the months following
the Brawl. I felt queasy when we brought Harrington back. I thought he was too
much of an enabler with respect to Jermaine and Jamaal. And I think he allowed
himself to get backed into a corner vis-a-vis Jackson because he had not been
decisive in dealing with Artest, O’Neal, and Tinsley. It was the total product—both
on and off the court—that caused the fans to bolt. Not just Jackson.

Of course, we never were quite sure just who was in charge then. But the contrast
in management style has become quite apparent since Donny left. The things
Bird has done and the way he has done them have provided a better feeling among
fans. There’s not much doubt in my mind now that Donny was calling a lot of the
shots.

Troy Murphy is a leftover from the previous regime. There is both good and bad
connected with that. But my view is that the total reconstruction of this team is
going to take some time. We have to be patient. In the mean time, I think Troy
can play a valuable role—particularly if we can add a couple of pieces before too
long.

by fanaticus on Dec 11, 2008 7:47 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Well said

Although my previous posts might not show it, I am extremely excited about this team, both currently and in the future. I think a lot of my negativity comes from the fact that had the Brawl (and the shootings and whatnot) not happened, we could be looking at a few championship banners. Instead, we had a few rough years and a less than savory cap situation as a result of having to trade our problems away.

Granger is awesome, our rookies look good, lose a lot contracts next season, we have a good system in place that is fun to watch, things are seriously looking up.

Now if we can only get a hypnotist in to convince the team that they are playing Boston every game. . .

by TheHawk5 on Dec 12, 2008 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps More to the Point

Troy’s contract isn’t tradable—so I’m trying to make the best of it.

by fanaticus on Dec 11, 2008 7:54 PM EST reply actions  

What's Up With Jack

Troy is a fraud. His numbers are gaudy, but he shoots alot, so he’s bound to hit a few. And his D is horrible. What I’m concerned with is why Jack is getting so many late game minutes. Believe, I live in Portland, and watched Jarret struggle out here. He’s a serviceable backup, but shouldn’t be in the game late in the fourth. Just look at the most recent loss to Boston. Larry got jobbed on that trade, period.

by Naptown in Ptown on Dec 12, 2008 1:18 AM EST reply actions  

Jobbed?

That trade wasn’t a blockbuster and Jack was not the centerpiece of the deal.

by Tom Lewis on Dec 12, 2008 6:29 AM EST up reply actions  

At the time,

I said that if Bayless becomes a star that we got screwed in that trade. I still stand by that and time will tell. So far neither Jack nor Rush have established themselves as a key player for this team. Bayless is buried on the bench behind really good veteran guys so it’s hard to tell if he is going to be a player or not. The fact is that we have no way of knowing who came out ahead yet but that we know we didn’t get too much out of the deal.

by ThirtyOne on Dec 12, 2008 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Too early to tell. Jack is a backup PG and Rush is a rookie so I never expected them to be key players this season, let alone less than 25 games in. Jack has played well at times, certainly offering the Pacers more than Ike Diogu.

by Tom Lewis on Dec 12, 2008 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly?

You’re right, the trade wasn’t a blockbuster, but essentially the Pacers got Jack, Rush, and McRoberts for a future star and an expiring contract. I’m tellin’ you, as I live in the PNW, that Bayless is the real deal. Yeah he’s backing people up right now, but that’s just ‘cause the Blazers are so deep. Jack will always play well at times, but in the end he’s a poor mans Haywood Workman, and that ain’t sayin much.

by Naptown in Ptown on Dec 13, 2008 5:12 AM EST up reply actions  

My bad

I keep forgetting Bayless is going to be a sure-fire star.

by Tom Lewis on Dec 13, 2008 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, at least he works like a pro and is showing glimpses in the little minutes he gets from time to time

http://trailblazerscentercourt.blogspot.com/2008/12/just-being-bayless.html

Most people still have patience with him. It will take time, but he could be really good. Until then, you got the short term improvements the Pacers needed.

Viva la Rudylucion

by Norsktroll on Dec 13, 2008 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree to Disagree

I honestly think that Troy is doing a great job. Looking at how the other players are doing, he is no different. To throw him under a bus and say he is a fraud is one thing. But you have to look at the numbers he is putting up on the glass. That is something that is sorely needed in this game, rebounding.

I’m going to stick with Troy, albeit his contract is large.

- Tony Laurenzana (duke dynamite)

by duke dynamite on Dec 23, 2008 1:40 PM EST reply actions  

Murph is a stud

Double/double machine. Even if the defense sucks.

by Tom Martin on Jan 5, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

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